Competition Package Question

Haywood · 03-11-2013, 12:56 PM

I am coming off my 135i lease in a few months and starting to look at pre-owned M3's. What was the first MY the competition package was offered? For those who have it, is it worth it? Thanks.

kscarrol · 03-11-2013, 01:04 PM

MY 2011 I believe but there were several changes made during 2011 and that is where you see folks talking about MY2011.5 and MY2011.75 cars. I think it started with 2011.5 which started production in Sept 2010 but my memory may be off.

I have it and think it was worth it for the wheels and the modest drop it provided. If you were looking to track that's a tough call. Some minor changes that many accomplish on their own with modifications.

mdosu · 03-11-2013, 01:14 PM

MY 2011. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350971

The next question is:
is ZCP faster than a Civic with a moonroof?

kscarrol · 03-11-2013, 01:20 PM

Ahh yes, the Civic M3 crowd is still a bit sensitive!

And as you can see in the link mdosu provided my memory was off!

AshyLarryMP · 03-11-2013, 03:26 PM

It was worth it too me. When you see the rims you know its a zcp 2011+. I didn't want to have many regrets on the most expensive thing I've ever owned. I plan on keeping it stock and for a long time.

JD3 · 03-11-2013, 03:31 PM

Not trying to start a zcp vs non zcp fight, but one thing that turned me off was the wheels. Love the look, but never understood why zcp has heavier wheels than non zcp. I know they're half an inch wider and at the end of the day a few lbs isn't the end of the world, but still. I do like the 10mm drop though.

kscarrol · 03-11-2013, 04:20 PM

Agreed, looks are subjective! And frankly the zcp is mostly a marketing gimmick... If you are a hard core track rat you are buying the base M3 and doing your own suspension and wheel mods.

C4S4SS · 03-11-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JD3

Not trying to start a zcp vs non zcp fight, but one thing that turned me off was the wheels. Love the look, but never understood why zcp has heavier wheels than non zcp. I know they're half an inch wider and at the end of the day a few lbs isn't the end of the world, but still. I do like the 10mm drop though.

wider = heavier

AshyLarryMP · 03-11-2013, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kscarrol

Agreed, looks are subjective! And frankly the zcp is mostly a marketing gimmick... If you are a hard core track rat you are buying the base M3 and doing your own suspension and wheel mods.

It's only a marketing gimmick in that they came out with new options to keep people interested. For only $2500 on a $70k car, it's a good deal. The special edition cars are more of a gimmick. I would definitely want a special edition, but they are too overpriced for me.

swartzentruber · 03-11-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

For those who have it, is it worth it? Thanks.

Marginally. I'd want EDC anyway, and if you are going to get 19" rims too, it's kind of an easy call. I could probably do without the drop, as I've had scraping issues at my in-laws house. I do like EDC, and it might be easier finding a competion package M3 than just one with EDC. It would have been nice if the Competition Package was more than a looks package (I know the drop and what-not was supposed to slightly improve lap times, but I'm skeptical). Including upgraded brakes would have been nice.

kscarrol · 03-11-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AshyLarryMP

Quote:

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Agreed, looks are subjective! And frankly the zcp is mostly a marketing gimmick... If you are a hard core track rat you are buying the base M3 and doing your own suspension and wheel mods.

It's only a marketing gimmick in that they came out with new options to keep people interested. For only $2500 on a $70k car, it's a good deal. The special edition cars are more of a gimmick. I would definitely want a special edition, but they are too overpriced for me.

Totally agree! I have zcp on my 2011 and got it specifically for the wheels and the subtle drop. Wanted the EDC so the choice was easy! Did not mean to imply it wasn't worth the $2,500 price tag...

gblansten · 03-11-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JD3

Not trying to start a zcp vs non zcp fight, but one thing that turned me off was the wheels. Love the look, but never understood why zcp has heavier wheels than non zcp. I know they're half an inch wider and at the end of the day a few lbs isn't the end of the world, but still. I do like the 10mm drop though.

I didn't care for the wheels. I love the 220M wheels so I was very glad to get those with EDC.

duk · 03-11-2013, 05:26 PM

worth the 2.5k price

PhillyNate · 03-11-2013, 05:46 PM

It's worth it for the wheels and 10mm drop alone for me.

Haywood · 03-11-2013, 06:09 PM

Thanks, guys.

LarThaL · 03-11-2013, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD3

Not trying to start a zcp vs non zcp fight, but one thing that turned me off was the wheels. Love the look, but never understood why zcp has heavier wheels than non zcp. I know they're half an inch wider and at the end of the day a few lbs isn't the end of the world, but still. I do like the 10mm drop though.

The ZCP wheels weight 2 lbs more, but take a good look at the design of the ZCP vs. non ZCP 19" wheels. Look at the weight distribution. The standard wheels have much more of the spoke weight distributed towards the periphery of the wheel. Weight centered near the hub has much less of an impact on ride/handling dynamics. Tire weight is actually more important in this regard than wheel weight.

LarThaL · 03-11-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

I am coming off my 135i lease in a few months and starting to look at pre-owned M3's. What was the first MY the competition package was offered? For those who have it, is it worth it? Thanks.

It is a tremendous value for what you get. If you think about the fact that EDC is a $1000 stand alone option, you are essentially getting 4 wheels, a slight ride height drop and a remapped DSC program for $1500. If you like the looks of the wheels, this is a no-brainer.

Vic311 · 03-11-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kscarrol

And frankly the zcp is mostly a marketing gimmick.

Disagree... on my 2011 for $2500 it was the best bang for the buck option I purchased on my car...wheels, EDC and lowered suspension..can't beat that w/ a bat

Longboarder · 03-11-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic311

Disagree... on my 2011 for $2500 it was the best bang for the buck option I purchased on my car...wheels, EDC and lowered suspension..can't beat that w/ a bat

Totally agree. I'm even tracking my car with the stock ZCP suspension. Just getting camber plates to dial it in a bit.

The ZCP suspension is a phenominal balance of comfort and performance.

1MtoM3 · 03-11-2013, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarThaL

It is a tremendous value for what you get. If you think about the fact that EDC is a $1000 stand alone option, you are essentially getting 4 wheels, a slight ride height drop and a remapped DSC program for $1500. If you like the looks of the wheels, this is a no-brainer.

This.

JD3 · 03-11-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by C4S4SS

wider = heavier

I understand, that's why I mentioned that they're wider. But they're not forged, which also contributes.

It is a good point about the weight distribution though.

330iToy · 03-11-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JD3

Quote:

Originally Posted by C4S4SS

wider = heavier

I understand, that's why I mentioned that they're wider. But they're not forged, which also contributes.

It is a good point about the weight distribution though.

They are forged!

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